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mtgox claim: better to claim bitcoin or cash?

So I'm going to file a rehabilitation claim for my mtgox account. It wasn't much, but obviously the value that I had in there is now worth much more in bitcoin than it would be if converted to fiat currency at the historical bitcoin value.
In the claim form I am allowed to ask to be repaid in equivalent fiat currency of various currencies, or request my original BTC back.. The latter is called a "non-monetary" claim.
I want the BTC ideally. However, it's only a claim, they are not saying I'll necessarily get this amount. Do you think it's likely I'll get my original amount of BTC back if I claim it, or is it risky (they could grant whatever equivalent BTC amount) and better to just ask for cash?
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"IMPORTANT: If you had Bitcoin/cash @ MtGox: Only 9 days left to file a claim"

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PSA: BitInstant's cash-to-bitcoin-address service is reliable, but they fudge the exchange rate; on top of the stated 3.99% fee (and unstated ZipZap fee), BitInstant has consistently marked up the exchange rate way above ($6 or so) the maximum that MtGox quotes around the time the transfer is made.

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UPDATE:
Charlie Shrem (bitinstant) ultimately compensated me more than what I thought I was still owed, and for that I thank him; I feel that my personal matter has been satisfied amicably.
I still believe that there are strange discrepancies in the data I've seen, which have not yet been accounted for, and I hope Charlie looks into it for the sake of his otherwise valuable company; I wouldn't want BitInstant to be blamed for the errors (or malice) of another party in the pipeline.
In any case, I would currently still feel comfortable using BitInstant.
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I wonder if any of the Bitcoin tied up at MTGOX will also get their Bitcoin Cash equivalents distributed to creditors

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mtgox claim: better to claim bitcoin or cash? /r/Bitcoin

mtgox claim: better to claim bitcoin or cash? /Bitcoin submitted by ABitcoinAllBot to BitcoinAll [link] [comments]

ATTN MTGOX Sellers! Do not sell your Bitcoins for so cheap. You're still not going to get cash and Krabapple is buying your dirt cheap coins and dumping them on Bitstamp!

Karpleles is buying up your dirt cheap coins and selling them on Bitstamp and other exchanges. Do not let him do this. Stop selling your coins for nothing. Just hold, you knew the risk, you're not helping yourself and you're damaging the rest of the community.
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‏Suspicious email received from Mt Gox (?)

Friends,
On the 24th - I received an email from mtgox_trustee(@)noandt.com offering me the following: The Rehabilitation Trustee has established a website on which creditors can view documents distributed at the creditors’ meeting held on March 25, 2020. The URL of the website is as follows:
material.mtgox.com
The password required to access the website is as follows: [password]
Do you know if this is legit? I tried logging in with my creditor number but was rejected.
Have I just been scammed, yet one more time...?
Today I received the following email: Civil Rehabilitation Proceedings (Tokyo District Court 2017 (sai) No. 35) Rehabilitation Debtor: MtGoX Co., Ltd.
Creditor No. X88888/ D2-999999 (just numbers i inserted)
Dear XYZ XYZ,
You have received this email because you have filed a rehabilitation claim, even though you are not an authorized user of the Bitcoin exchange of MtGox Co., Ltd. (“MTGOX”).
The Rehabilitation Trustee has approved or disapproved rehabilitation claims relating to the refund of cash or cryptocurrency by users of MTGOX Bitcoin exchange, and on March 15, 2019, submitted to the Tokyo District Court a statement of approval or disapproval.
In the aforementioned approval or disapproval statement, your filed claim was not approved. However, upon further investigation of your claim with Creditor No. X88888, the Rehabilitation Trustee found that it was approved as a self-approved claim (defined below) for creditor number D2-999999 on March 15, 2019.
Is this legit, and if so - what does this all mean? or is it yet another scam - or a continuation of the previous one?
Help, please!!!
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My collection of amazing early Bitcoin comments, right here from Reddit:

On buying (or not) a gaming rig to mine Bitcoin:
With the difficulty skyrocketing and exchange rates sitting stagnant at $5~8 for the last week or so, you pretty much missed the boat to buy dedicated mining hardware, IMHO. If you already have the hardware, or are looking for an excuse to buy a couple bitchin' new graphics cards for a gaming rig, there's definitely money to be made mining when you're not using it.
But I don't think I'd drop $1k into a rig that's only to mine with unless it was $1k I'd blow on something even more retarded. I certainly wouldn't sink next month's rent into it.
https://reddit.com/AskReddit/comments/hnp7f/_/c1wuv1b/?context=1
On easily cashing out Bitcoin using mtgox:
I think getting money is not that difficult. The daily volume on mtgox is over $100K, so I think anyone can currently sell Bitcoins for USD without problems.
https://reddit.com/AskReddit/comments/hnp7f/_/c1wuhjh/?context=1
On it being $10:
Is Bitcoin 10 usd yet?
https://reddit.com/Bitcoin/comments/hpq6c/is_bitcoin_10_usd_yet/
Bonus: Snapshot of the isbitcoin10usdyet website from 2011: https://web.archive.org/web/20110606125320/http://www.isbitcoin10usdyet.com/
Mtgox might disappear:
400K bitcoins is $4M dollars. Given all risks and uncertainties around bitcoins, no wonder some of the early founders exit their investments. Tomorrow mtgox or dwolla may disappear. It is the matter of one government intervention.
https://reddit.com/Bitcoin/comments/hq1wj/_/c1xgesq/?context=1
Bitcoin is terrible at friendly front-end:
This is a dangerous point-of-view. The entire bitcoin ecosystem is ugly, confusing, and deeply unusable. Really think about the questions posed in the article. The client works, as in, it creates a functional front-end for some bitcoin-related tasks, but it isn't at all designed for how humans would want to interact with the currency. The point of the article isn't that the client is hard, it's that the client works pretty well for obsessive nerds (present company included), but if bitcoin is really going to succeed at the goals it sets out to accomplish, it needs to not only be usable by normal people, it needs to be exceptional. If you think it's reasonably usable, you're welcome to that opinion, but please understand that you're the exact sort of person Mr. Falkvinge was referring to. Great with complex logic, terrible at friendly front-end.
https://reddit.com/Bitcoin/comments/hrqpm/_/c1xtfuy/?context=1
On wallets going out of sync:
One thing that I think is lacking is the ability to functionally use wallets on different machines as they will tend to get out of sync. This might be able to be overcome if new addresses were deterministically created from a seed contained in the wallet, but there are probably better ways.
Also, the UI for the official client is kind of a bone.
https://reddit.com/Bitcoin/comments/hrqpm/_/c1y730k/?context=1
On Bitcoin’s ease of use:
In fact, BTC is in such an infant state right now only enthusiasts investors, and geeks who can actually grasp how the system truly works, are using it for real.
The usability issues raised by the article are real. No grandma, or any well respected enterprise for that matter, would accept working with this type of GUI. If anything, a REAL enterprise backend still needs to be developed to handle the BTC's ungly guts, with all transactions details, hashes, mining, wallets, proxy connections, peer discovery via IRC channels... I mean... this is all too RAW for the end user. I can see a near future where startups will begin to offer user friendly GUIs, online access, maybe even online banking for your bitcoin accounts, automated backups and safety mechanisms to protect your coins in case of theft.
All of us geeks will end up supporting the bootstrap of this network so that, later on, your grandma will be able to use this just as she would use a credit card today.
https://reddit.com/Bitcoin/comments/hrqpm/_/c1xungz/?context=1
rBitcoin is not a sub for memes:
This isnt a subreddit for memes. Take it back to pics
https://reddit.com/Bitcoin/comments/i7z0v/_/c21m3ld/?context=1
I think I’ll keep my money elsewhere:
This further reinforces BC's image as nothing more than a Ponzi scheme. When the distribution is skewed that heavily towards early adopters, they will have almost total control over the market. Those 32 could manipulate to their hearts content. I think I'll keep my money elsewhere....
https://reddit.com/Bitcoin/comments/ifl26/_/c23e3ei/?context=1
Tulip mania:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulip_mania
https://www.reddit.com/AskReddit/comments/hnp7f/i_just_invested_half_of_my_next_months_rent_in/c1wuhkt/
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My BTC adventure

So this is more a story of an opportunity lost than a story of regret.
But, I do regret this at least a bit.
I heard of Bitcoin around 2009 to 2010. The coins were around 50 dollars when I first read an article on them and they fluctuated up and down from there.
My first experience was mtgox and then coinbase. I made an account and would buy 20 bucks worth of coin at a time. See, I used the coin to buy music from Russian sites for 10 cents a song roughly instead of a dollar here. So I'd spend that 20 on a few albums and then reload it whenever I'd think of new mp3's to buy.
Well after around 5 or 6 albums I decided I was set on music for a while and I just left 20 bucks on coinbase just to see what happened. Well, I forgot about it.
At that time the coin was around $80 for one, then shortly after it was $100 for one. I really wanted to buy one whole coin, but that would have been a third of my paycheck at the time and I just couldn't afford to gamble it.
As I said, I forgot about the coin completely for like 6 months.
Another article popped up about how bitcoin was shooting through the roof and so I checked on it. My 1/8th of a coin netted me $140. The rumor mill was out that it was surely tanking soon so I sold it when one coin was worth around $1400.
I then took that extra $120 and enjoyed a full tank of gas and a night out or two. I figured a reinvestment wouldn't be worth it as it was too much for one coin and forgot about it again.
It tanked for a week to like $800 and I thought good job to me! Patting myself on the back.
Then it hit 4k, 6k, 8k, 14k, 20k.
That 20 bucks would have netted me 5k if I had just let it ride. And if I had just managed to buy one coin I'd have paid cash for my next vehicle.
This lesson reminds me alot of people's skepticism of Microsoft and the people who missed an opportunity. The point being, always let a small amount ride and see. Take the risk!
I made a huge return on my investment. I had 140 dollars I didn't have before.
But hey, it could have been A LOT more.
submitted by Thesearchoftheshite to Bitcoin [link] [comments]

I'm Mark Karpelès, ex-CEO of bankrupt MtGox. Ask me anything.

Dear community,
Many of you know or remember me, especially recently since the MtGox bankruptcy has been allegedly linked with Bitcoin price drops in December 2017 to February 2018. Since taking over the most active Bitcoin exchange in 2011, I ran MtGox until filing for civil rehabilitation on February 28th 2014 (which became bankruptcy less than 2 months later) because a large amount of Bitcoins went missing. Since then, four years have passed, and MtGox is still in bankruptcy today. I’ve been arrested, released under bail after a little less than one year, and am now trying to assist MtGox getting into civil rehabilitation.
I did my best trying to grow the ecosystem by running the biggest exchange at the time. It had big problems but still managed to hang in there. For a while. A quite long while, even, while the rest of the ecosystem caught up. At the end of the day, the methods I chose to try to get MtGox out of its trouble ended up being insufficient, insufficiently executed, or plain wrong.
I know I didn't handle the last, stressful days of the outdrawn and painful Gox collapse very well. I can only be humble about that in hindsight. Once again, I’m sorry.
Japanese bankruptcy law has a particularly nasty outcome here, and I want to address this up front. As creditors claims were registered, those claims were registered in the valuation of Japanese Yen on the bankruptcy date. That's the only way Japanese bankruptcy law can work (most bankruptcy laws around the world operate this way for that matter). This means that the claims can be paid back in full, and there will still be over 160,000 bitcoin and bitcoin cash in assets in the Gox estate. The way bankruptcy law works is that if there are any assets remaining after the creditors have been paid in full, then those assets are distributed to shareholders as part of the liquidation.
That's the only way any bankruptcy law can reasonably work. And yet, in this case, it produces an egregiously distasteful outcome in that the shareholders of MtGox would walk away with the value of over 160,000 bitcoin as a result of what happened.
I don't want this. I don't want this billion dollars. From day one I never expected to receive anything from this bankruptcy. The fact that today this is a possibility is an aberration and I believe it is my responsibility to make sure it doesn’t happen. One of the ways to do this would be civil rehabilitation, and as it seems most creditors agree with this, I am doing my best to help make it happen. I do not want to become instantly rich. I do not ask for forgiveness. I just want to see this end as soon as possible with everyone receiving their share of what they had on MtGox so everyone, myself included, can get some closure.
I’m an engineer at heart. I want to build things. I like seeing what I build being useful, and people being happy using what I build. My drive, from day one, has been to push the limits of what is technically possible, and this is the main reason I liked and have been involved with Bitcoin in the first place. When I took over MtGox, I never imagined things would end this way and I am forever sorry for everything that’s taken place and all the effect it had on everyone involved.
Hopefully, I can make what I’ve learned in this experience useful to the community as a whole, so there can at least be something positive in the end.
Ask me anything you like.
EDIT: With this coming to all there have been an overwhelming number of messages, questions etc. I will continue responding for a little while but probably won't be able to respond to new questions (it is starting to be late here and I've been spending the last few hours typing). Thank you very much to everyone.
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I've been in since May 2017, lessons learned, and some real talk.

I've only been in the crypto game since mid 2017. I remember back then when I was assessing the market, BTC was below $1k a few months earlier, LTC was around $4 that January and by the time I finally got in BTC had more than doubled to around $2,500 and LTC was $30. I thought ETH and XRP (and everything else) were just shitcoins because I didn't know shit and I just listened to the herd (Back then the argument was "Bitcoin is digital gold and LTC is digital silver and everything else is a scam.") Now, I'm pretty invested in several coins, because this market is anything but rational.
Screw off if you think otherwise. Try to think logically in this market, and you're going to get smacked in the face.
After exchanging my first fiat for crypto, in the next couple of months the market "crashed" and I was fearful. By crashed, I mean BTC went from $2,800 to $1,800. I just decided to let my cryptos ride. I pretended that money was gone, but I'd check prices every day for whatever damn reason.
I wasn't even putting that much in. Hell, I would spend more eating out and going to the bars every weekend with friends or work colleagues than I was dropping into BTC. It was pretty common that I'd drop $100 a night on sushi, beers, and Sake Bombs. But, when money you could get back loses value, it makes you feel dumb for putting money in. Logic is out the window when I can't get that $100 back from my sushi and drink purchases, but my crypto dropped 30% that week, so I was dumb for investing in crypto but not for my $500+ per month on eating out and drinking with friends.
Several weeks later, I was back to even on my crypto investments. Well shit, that was fast. Then I was suddenly up 25%. "Fuck it, I'm just putting money in. I'm not missing out."
By the the winter of 2017, I was up over 10x with my crypto speculation. My initial LTC went from $30 to over $350; my BTC went from $2,500 to $20,000. I also just threw $300-$1,000 here and there on random sub-200 market cap coins only to see them 6x in a few weeks.
I remember thinking how stupid I was for not buying during that dip down to $1,800, but how good of an investor I was because my gains. What a fucking dope I was.
I was sitting there looking at my account on December 10th, 2017. I was about to sell because I could have paid off my car and 50% of my student loans. I wasn't even using my car because I was in another country traveling.
"Nah, I can't sell. This is just the beginning; let's wait until I can pay off all my student loans" my delusional self said.
I never cashed out. I remember sitting there with a dude who had his GDAX account open after BTC "crashed" from $20k to $13k two weeks later. We just got back from surfing.
He was still sitting at $250,000 in his account and was nervous as shit. "What should I do?" he asked rhetorically. Then immediately answered himself, "It will rebound," he said, "it always does." This guy had been through the MTGOX hack and gave me plenty of advice while we surfed.
And I listened as if he was prophetic.
What a fucking dope I was.
When hopium is in the air, we all get irrational.
I still wonder about that guy and his cryptos. He went north back home for the Christmas holiday, while I headed south for more traveling, and I've never seen him again.
February 2018 was both euphoric and scary as shit. "Holy shit! BTC is under $10k I never thought it would be down here again. But it could keep dropping. But it was just $20k a month ago."
I was skeptical that it wouldn't keep dropping so I waited. Then, I didn't want to miss out. BTC was making a run from $6,500 up to testing $10k. "If it breaks $10k, I'm getting back in."
A short time later, it did break $10k, only to be hit a wall at $12k, then again...then, the inevitable crash to $6,200 happened where it fluctuated in August - November of 2018 up until, what, November 10th-ish when BCH shitfork shat out and then BTC-Shit-Vision and BTC-LMNOP started paying miners to mine their forked fork of BTC and everyone shat themselves as the market tanked yet again.
That was it for me. That was the day I stopped caring. I remember thinking how stupid I was to invest so much time in this.
You can't predict this shit.
I didn't regret investing in crypto, I regret all the time spent looking at my portfolio, trying to time the market, pretending I was some guru in my head because I threw $300 at POE when it was less than a penny and weeks later it was selling for $0.21 and could buy another trip to whatever country I wanted.
Sure, you can use TA to see what support or resistance is there, but it's still a 50-50 chance whether Fake Satoshi is going to spoof trade or some rando is going to drop three 7,000 BTC market buys to break through resistance.
So, what did I learn through this whole experience?
Other than what I've already stated (You have no way to predict whether it's breaking through resistance or crashing through support).
I just remember the main thing that has persisted this last two years. "I wish I could go back in time to when BTC was around $3,000 and LTC was $30."
When BTC dropped below, $4k that was heaven. I never thought it would get back to when I was buying when I first got into the market in 2017.
So, I bought, and I bought hard.
This time around, I have strong buy strategies and sell strategies.
They are set; no question.
For me, I'm not selling until two weeks before the LTC halving in August.
Even then, I'm only selling my LTC for BTC. Then I'll sell 25% of my BTC for fiat 2 weeks before the BTC halving in 2020.
I will never have less than my preferred number of BTC's, ETH's, LTC's and a few others.
Don't follow my advice here, I'm just saying I know what I want and what my strategy is.
You need to have a strategy to buy and strategy to sell. Be reasonable. I previously had a "strategy." It was once I could pay off my student loans with all of my crypto gains minus taxes, I would sell. Yeah, well, looking back if I would have just sold when could pay off my car and 50% of my student loans, I would have been able to invest even more when BTC was down in $3,xxx range and LTC was $22-$35, etc from December 2018 through March 2019.
DCAing is the way to go. No question. You don't need to do TA, you don't need to check your portfolio, you don't need to do shit but either 1) setup an automatic buy order with your exchange or 2) login and buy whatever you want.
You have your buy strategy (DCA at x interval) and you have your sell strategy.
Figure it out. Don't pretend you're gonna time the market. Don't pretend you're some guru.
Those people, like me, learn the hard way.
No TA, no waiting for google searches of BTC to increase, no waiting for BAKKT, no waiting for Faktoshi to shut the fuck up.
Before November 2018, I would only throw money when BTC was on a run. "Oh, we're finally on the way up. It's time to buy!" Like when it went from $2,800 up to $6,200 in the summer 2017, then from $10k to $20k in late 2017. Or when it went from $6,200 back up to $10,000 then to $11,900 in February of 2018.
I would think I could time the market. What a pathetic loser, right?
Some people grow up in this market like the cable version of themselves only to transition to the directv version. Listen to us dopes that have been there and done that.
Learn from our mistakes, but also don't think that we have all the damn answers.
Anyone that comes in here acting like the 2nd coming of Craig Wright's dumpster twin, you can be rest assured they are as delusional as Justin Sun. The problem is, even if they are delusional, this market is anything but rational, so they might just be proven right enough for you to think you should follow their advice.
This shit is crazy. Stop acting like you've got it figured out.
Nobody does, but it feels good to have confidence in this random speculation, right?
I'm here to tell you this. My life has drastically improved since November 2018 when I started viewing Crypto investments like a bill. Every two weeks, I would send money from my paycheck to my exchange. Then, I'd buy a certain amount every single week after it had cleared.
That money, is all but "gone." It was a "bill" I paid.
When the market is going down, I send more fiat and I buy more crypto. When it is rising, I still buy, but not as much; I pull back. You may say I'm trying to catch a falling knife. I just learned that the way I was investing before was bad practice. I'd rather people think I'm trying to catch a falling knife than to feel that FOMO and only buy when the market is up.
Right now for example, I'm not buying this week. Not because I think I know what hell is going to happen, but because it's my strategy to not chase a run, and to spend more when it drops.
I'll wait until next weekend and see what the market is doing.
What happens in between now and next weekend, I don't give a shit.
Could I miss out on another run? Sure, but I don't give a shit. Maybe it's because I'm 2 years in and I've seen this shit before, or maybe it's because I've been buying BTC when it was around $3,000 both in 2017 and just about a month ago, so I feel fortunate to have gotten another chance at BTC at $3,xxx.
I also learned my lesson that fakeouts happen. I've been burned enough to not give a shit about being BTC going from $3500 to $5,200 in the last, what, 5 weeks?
Been here, done it, don't give a shit.
I don't know if this helps anyone, but seeing the last two years of this shit, I don't care about some random 30% pump. I also don't care that BCH is up 86%, or ADA is up whatever it is. I'm not into them, but if you made gains, I'm happy for you.
I'm serious too.
Maybe you're new to this game, or maybe you've only been in since $20k. If so, you're still here, and there are plenty others like you. I'm not a BTC maximalist, I don't think LTC is the truth, I don't think only ETH is the dApp platform.
I don't know shit. I'm just some speculator that is speculating on some of this sit.
There are also plenty of people that were like me in 2017 that are waiting in the wings, only to buy when the market is on the rise. There are plenty more that buy when it's rising then set stop losses that whales will fish for only to wreck the market in a day then to see a bounce back even stronger while those people FOMO back in.
Also, the turd version of satoshi could start shitting in public this week and the media could write about how Satoshi is literally shitting on a physical Bitcoin as we speak and some shitcoin creator then posts a Twitter video that goes viral about how the hashrate and energy consumption of the satoshi shit-pile is not sustainable and then some whale market sells down to below the new TA shit-support level of $4,400 and then all the dopes with stop losses in that range get shit fucked only to see a spoof limit order set at $4,400 of 10,000 BTC and everyone's dick shrinks into their stomach as they hurry to Tether as BTC drops back down to $3,500 before whale #2 shit fucks your emotions with a $1,500 green dildo in a 15 minute span sees the "sell wall" disappear which starts the next FOMO run on up to $6,200 a few weeks later while TAers say "We broke out on great volume" then other TAers agree and the self-fulling prophecy starts another run only to get hit with more whale fuckers.
You can't predict this shit. Give it up.
Market goes up, market goes down, can't explain that.
With the LTC halving in August, the BTC halving in May 2020, I think we are about to get into the 2017 euphoria again though. We are getting closeTM to the point you could just thrown money at any coin and get 10x your investment.
What does "close" mean? I have no idea. Eff anyone that thinks they know. Someone could predict it is this week, next month, or after this current fakeout bull run, or in December, or next Spring, and someone will be right.
The only advice I have is to do your best to not get emotional about your money or crypto. It's going to do the exact opposite of what you think it will. Even when you try to do the opposite, crypto will shit-fuck you in your sleep.
If you believe that the sentiment is changing, and let's be real, we are in speculation phase and this is all based on hopium and belief, then DCA at certain intervals.
This isn't some cult. It's all based on sentiment. If you think people are starting to get interested, then that is a sign speculation is about to be in our favor.
If you are putting money in that needs to be rent money, do yourself a favor and just walk into a casino and put it all on red. If you win, then put your winnings in crypto. If you lose, I saved you the anguish of checking your portfolio every hour only wish you would have done the opposite of what you did.
You're welcome...
Or, do the opposite. Check the market every hour for the next 12 months only to look back and realize that you kept buying on the way up, got scared and sold on the way down, and then FUD yourself in your sleep because of your stop loss sells were triggered while whales were fishing for fear.
So, there are all of my shit thoughts. What are yours?
What are your strategies?
There are plenty of people that have been in longer than me, what are your strategies?
Are we heading for a the next bull run? Is the bottom in? Do we still have a massive, short-lived capitulation event coming?
Let's chat.
TL;DR: You can't predict this shit, just DCA, live your life, get a buy strategy, choose a sell point, make this shit as simple as possible. If you try to complicate things by predicting the next run, the next drop, the next consolidation, then you're probably going to be wrong like 99% of people. And don't be that guy that ends up $250,000 in your account in the next bull run only to see it drop down $67,000 literally a week later.
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I have a good feeling

About 2 years after the MtGox implosion, we had indications of increased interest on many fronts, but the coin price was in stagnation. I think we are at the same place now, 1 1/2 years after the 19k top, and after a lot of controversy and accidents like the november 2018 chainsplit.
A possible explanation is that newcomers need quite some time from their early toe-dipping to learning about sound money, how to aquire coins, how to secure them, and most of all: by using it, get the fact that its value is there and is real, even if the coin itself is just a random number, under the skin.
Again and again, I analyze the options for making the best sound money for everybody in the world. I wrote this in a comment a few days ago, but got onlty a few readers, still fairly proud of it:
The most important coins:
So there is only Bitcoin Cash BCH left to do the job.
submitted by ErdoganTalk to btc [link] [comments]

I'm Mark Karpelès, ex-CEO of bankrupt MtGox. Ask me anything.

Dear community,
Many of you know or remember me, especially recently since the MtGox bankruptcy has been allegedly linked with Bitcoin price drops in December 2017 to February 2018. Since taking over the most active Bitcoin exchange in 2011, I ran MtGox until filing for civil rehabilitation on February 28th 2014 (which became bankruptcy less than 2 months later) because a large amount of Bitcoins went missing. Since then, four years have passed, and MtGox is still in bankruptcy today. I’ve been arrested, released under bail after a little less than one year, and am now trying to assist MtGox getting into civil rehabilitation.
I did my best trying to grow the ecosystem by running the biggest exchange at the time. It had big problems but still managed to hang in there. For a while. A quite long while, even, while the rest of the ecosystem caught up. At the end of the day, the methods I chose to try to get MtGox out of its trouble ended up being insufficient, insufficiently executed, or plain wrong.
I know I didn't handle the last, stressful days of the outdrawn and painful Gox collapse very well. I can only be humble about that in hindsight. Once again, I’m sorry.
Japanese bankruptcy law has a particularly nasty outcome here, and I want to address this up front. As creditors claims were registered, those claims were registered in the valuation of Japanese Yen on the bankruptcy date. That's the only way Japanese bankruptcy law can work (most bankruptcy laws around the world operate this way for that matter). This means that the claims can be paid back in full, and there will still be over 160,000 bitcoin and bitcoin cash in assets in the Gox estate. The way bankruptcy law works is that if there are any assets remaining after the creditors have been paid in full, then those assets are distributed to shareholders as part of the liquidation.
That's the only way any bankruptcy law can reasonably work. And yet, in this case, it produces an egregiously distasteful outcome in that the shareholders of MtGox would walk away with the value of over 160,000 bitcoin as a result of what happened.
I don't want this. I don't want this billion dollars. From day one I never expected to receive anything from this bankruptcy. The fact that today this is a possibility is an aberration and I believe it is my responsibility to make sure it doesn’t happen. One of the ways to do this would be civil rehabilitation, and as it seems most creditors agree with this, I am doing my best to help make it happen. I do not want to become instantly rich. I do not ask for forgiveness. I just want to see this end as soon as possible with everyone receiving their share of what they had on MtGox so everyone, myself included, can get some closure.
I’m an engineer at heart. I want to build things. I like seeing what I build being useful, and people being happy using what I build. My drive, from day one, has been to push the limits of what is technically possible, and this is the main reason I liked and have been involved with Bitcoin in the first place. When I took over MtGox, I never imagined things would end this way and I am forever sorry for everything that’s taken place and all the effect it had on everyone involved.
Hopefully, I can make what I’ve learned in this experience useful to the community as a whole, so there can at least be something positive in the end.
Ask me anything you like.
EDIT: With this coming to all there have been an overwhelming number of messages, questions etc. I will continue responding for a little while but probably won't be able to respond to new questions (it is starting to be late here and I've been spending the last few hours typing). Thank you very much to everyone.
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Did anyone else get very long email with the subject "【MTGOX】同意事項/Terms of Consent" today?

This was the full email. There were also 2 PDF attachments. The only part I have changed is where I've redacted my "creditor number". Please discuss what you think about it.
(English follows Japanese)
債権者様(債権者番号:XXXXXXXXXXX)
本メールは、株式会社MTGOX(以下「MTGOX」といいます。)の破産手続において破産債権の届出をしたものの、MTGOXの民事再生手続(以下「本民事再生手続」といいます。)において、再生債権の届出をしておらず、MTGOXのデータベースに存在した残高が自認債権として認められた債権者の方にお送りしています。
貴殿/貴社について認められた自認債権については、添付PDFファイルに記載しておりますのでご確認ください。
本民事再生手続において、届出債権者の方には、弁済を含めた諸手続を円滑に進めるため、本民事再生手続に関する同意事項に同意いただいております。しかし、貴殿/貴社は債権届出をしていないことから、未だ当該同意事項へ同意いただいておりません。弁済を含めた今後の手続を円滑に進めるためには、貴殿/貴社にも同様の同意事項に対して同意していただく必要があります。
そこで、本メールの末尾に記載しました「民事再生手続に関する同意事項」又は本メールに添付しました「民事再生手続に関する同意事項」(内容は同一です。)をご確認いただき、内容に同意いただける場合には、下記の文言を記載して、本メールに直接返信してください。
「私は、MTGOXの民事再生手続について、再生管財人から送付された「民事再生手続に関する同意事項」について同意及び表明いたします。」
再生管財人は、今後も、東京地方裁判所と協議しながら、適切な民事再生手続の遂行に努めてまいりますので、ご理解ご協力の程宜しくお願い申し上げます。
再生債務者株式会社MTGOX 再生管財人弁護士小林信明
To creditor (creditor number: XXXXXXXXXXX)
You have received this email because you are a creditor ofMtGox Co., Ltd. (“MtGox”) who filed a proof of bankruptcy claim(s) under the previous bankruptcy proceedings forMtGox but did not file a proof of rehabilitation claim(s) under the civil rehabilitation proceedings for MtGox (the “Civil Rehabilitation Proceedings”) and whose remaining balance on the MtGox database was approved by the Rehabilitation Trustee as a self-approved rehabilitation claim(s) (i.e., a rehabilitation claim that was not filed but accepted by the trustee voluntarily in accordance with the Civil Rehabilitation Act).
Your self-approved rehabilitation claim(s) are detailed in the attached PDF file for your review.
In the Civil Rehabilitation Proceeding, the rehabilitation creditors who filed their proofs of rehabilitation claim agreed to the terms of consent regarding the Civil Rehabilitation Proceedings to proceed smoothly with various procedures including repayment. However, since you have not filed a claim, you have not yet agreed to these terms of consent. In order to facilitate various proceedings, your consent to the terms is required.
Accordingly, we hereby stated the “Terms of Consent Regarding the Civil Rehabilitation Proceedings” at the end of this email, as well as attached the same to this email. Please carefully read the terms therein, and if you agree to the terms, please reply to this email and state the sentence below in the body of your reply.
“I/We hereby agree to and represent as set forth in the “Terms of Consent Regarding the Civil Rehabilitation Proceedings” sent by the rehabilitation trustee, in relation to the civil rehabilitation proceedings for MtGox Co., Ltd.”
The rehabilitation trustee will continue to make an effort to conduct the Civil Rehabilitation Proceeding appropriately and in consultation with the Tokyo District Court, and the rehabilitation trustee would appreciate the understanding and cooperation of all concerned parties.
Rehabilitation Debtor: MtGox Co., Ltd. Rehabilitation Trustee: Nobuaki Kobayashi, Attorney-at-law
事件番号 平成29年(再)第35号 / Case Number 2017 (sai) No. 35 再生債務者 株式会社MTGOX / Rehabilitation Debtor: MTGOX Co., Ltd.
民事再生手続に関する同意事項 Terms of Consent Regarding the Civil Rehabilitation Proceedings
1. 私/当社は、上記債権者番号の自認債権者本人であり、私/当社が届け出た情報は真実、正確かつ完全であること。その違反に起因又は関連して生じるあらゆる損害、損失、債務、コスト又は費用(以下「損害等」という。)について、株式会社MTGOX(以下「MTGOX」という。)及びMTGOXの民事再生手続(東京地方裁判所平成29年(再)第35号。以下「本民事再生手続」という。)における管財人(その代理及び補佐を含み、以下「再生管財人」という。)は一切の責任を負わず、私/当社はMTGOX及び再生管財人に対して当該損害等に関して損害賠償請求、補償請求その他一切の請求をしないこと。 I am/We are the creditor of self-approved rehabilitation claims that has the above creditor number, and I/we represent that the information that I/we have provided therein is true, accurate, and complete. MtGox Co., Ltd. (“MTGOX”) and the trustee (including deputy trustees and assistant trustees; the “Rehabilitation Trustee”) of the MTGOX civil rehabilitation proceedings (Tokyo District Court; 2017 (sai) Case No. 35; the “Civil Rehabilitation Proceedings”) are not liable in any respect for any damage, loss, liability, cost or expense (“Damages”) arising out of or in connection with any breach of such representation, and I/we will not make any claim for damages or compensation, or make any other claim with respect to such Damages against MTGOX or the Rehabilitation Trustee.
2. 再生管財人の故意によらず、ビットコイン及びビットコインから分岐した他の仮想通貨(以下「フォークコイン」といい、ビットコインと総称して「ビットコイン等」という。)の技術上の問題・障害等に起因又は関連して生じるあらゆる損害等(ビットコイン等又は金銭による弁済を受領できないことによる損害を含むが、これに限られない。)について、MTGOX及び再生管財人は一切の責任を負わず、私/当社はMTGOX及び再生管財人に対して当該損害等に関して損害賠償請求、補償請求その他一切の請求をしないこと。 MTGOX and the Rehabilitation Trustee are not liable in any respect for any Damages arising out of or in connection with any technical issue, impediment, or other ground, in the absence of without willful misconduct by the Rehabilitation Trustee, regarding Bitcoin or any other cryptocurrency split from Bitcoin (a “Fork Coin”; collectively with Bitcoin, “Bitcoin, Etc.”) (including, but not limited to, any damage related to payments in Bitcoin, Etc. or cash not being received), and I/we will not make any claim for damages or compensation, or make any other claim with respect to such Damages against MTGOX or the Rehabilitation Trustee.
3. 私/当社は、本書式のダウンロードその他のために必要なコンピュータ等の機器、ソフトウェアその他のアプリケーション、通信回線その他の通信環境等の準備(必要なアプリケーションのインストールを含む。)及び維持、並びに自らの利用環境に応じたコンピュータ・ウイルスの感染の防止、不正アクセス及び情報漏洩の防止等のセキュリティ対策を、自らの費用と責任において行うこと。本項に定める事項の違反に起因又は関連して生じるあらゆる損害等について、MTGOX及び再生管財人は一切の責任を負わず、私/当社はMTGOX及び再生管財人に対して当該損害等に関して損害賠償請求、補償請求その他一切の請求をしないこと。私/当社は、MTGOX及び再生管財人が利用環境を推奨した場合であっても動作保証は行わないことを認識し、これに同意していること。 I/We will, at my/our expense and responsibility, setup and maintain computers and other equipment, software and other applications, telecommunication lines and other telecommunication environments, among others, necessary to download this form (including installing necessary applications) and, in accordance with my/our use environment, take security measures, such as preventing infection by computer viruses, unauthorized access and information divulgence. MTGOX and the Rehabilitation Trustee are not liable in any respect for any Damages arising out of or in connection with any breach of any matter stipulated in this paragraph, and I/we will not make any claim for damages or compensation, or make any other claim with respect to such Damages against MTGOX or the Rehabilitation Trustee. I/We acknowledge and agree that notwithstanding that MTGOX and the Rehabilitation Trustee have recommended a use environment its operation is not guaranteed in any respect.
4. 私/当社は、自らの責任において、MTGOXのビットコイン取引所に登録していたユーザーネーム、メールアドレス及びパスワード、MTGOXの破産手続(東京地方裁判所平成26年(フ)第3830号。以下「本破産手続」という。)において債権者情報として登録した連絡先メールアドレス等私/当社であることの確認のために必要な情報及びこれに関連するもの(以下、総称して「パスワード等」という。)を管理、保管するものとし、パスワード等を第三者に利用させたり、貸与、譲渡、名義変更、売買その他処分をしたりしないこと。再生管財人は、私/当社のパスワード等により行われた一切の行為を、私/当社の行為とみなすことができ、パスワード等の管理不十分、使用上の過誤、漏洩、第三者の使用、盗用等に起因又は関連して生じるあらゆる損害等について、MTGOX及び再生管財人は一切の責任を負わず、私/当社はMTGOX及び再生管財人に対して当該損害等に関して損害賠償請求、補償請求その他一切の請求をしないこと。 I/We will, at my/our responsibility, manage and store user names, email address and passwords registered on the MTGOX Bitcoin exchange; the contact address registered as creditor information in the bankruptcy proceedings (Tokyo District Court; 2014 (fu) Case No. 3830; the “Bankruptcy Proceedings”); or any other information necessary for identity confirmation and anything related thereto (collectively, the “Passwords”) and will neither permit any third party to use the Passwords nor lend, assign, transfer ownership, trade, or handle the Passwords in any other manner. The Rehabilitation Trustee may deem all acts conducted with my/our Passwords as mine/our act; and MTGOX and the Rehabilitation Trustee are not liable in any respect for any Damages arising out of or in connection with insufficient management, erroneous use, divulgence, third party use, illegal use, or otherwise of the Passwords, and I/we will not make any claim for damages or compensation, or make any other claim with respect to such Damages against MTGOX or the Rehabilitation Trustee.
5. 私/当社は、再生管財人が定めている又は今後定める、再生管財人が用意した方式・方法による届出・通知及びこれに関連する事項を行う際のルール(今後の変更を含む。)を理解した上でこれに従うものとし、当該ルールに違反し、又は違反しようとしたことに起因又は関連して生じるあらゆる損害等について、MTGOX及び再生管財人は一切の責任を負わず、私/当社はMTGOX及び再生管財人に対して当該損害等に関して損害賠償請求、補償請求その他一切の請求をしないこと。 I/We will familiarize myself/ourselves with and follow current rules or future rules (as amended from time to time) for any filing/notifying with the form/method the Rehabilitation Trustee provided and anything related thereto stipulated, by the Rehabilitation Trustee; and MTGOX and the Rehabilitation Trustee are not liable in any respect for any Damages arising out of or in connection with any breach of or any attempted breach of the rules, and I/we will not make any claim for damages or compensation, or make any other claim with respect to such Damages against MTGOX or the Rehabilitation Trustee.
6. 他のウェブサイトからMTGOXのウェブサイトへのリンクが提供されている場合においても、MTGOXのウェブサイト以外のウェブサイト及びそこから得られる情報並びにそれに起因又は関連して生じる損害等について、MTGOX及び再生管財人は一切の責任を負わず、私/当社はMTGOX及び再生管財人に対して当該損害等に関して損害賠償請求、補償請求その他一切の請求をしないこと。 MTGOX and the Rehabilitation Trustee are not liable in any respect for any website other than MTGOX’s website, any information obtained therefrom, and any Damages arising out of or in connection with the same, notwithstanding that MTGOX’s website may be linked on another website, and I/we will not make any claim for damages or compensation, or make any other claim with respect to such Damages against MTGOX or the Rehabilitation Trustee.
7. 私/当社と他の再生債権者その他の者との間において生じた取引、連絡、紛争等については、私/当社の責任において処理及び解決するものとし、かかる事項及びそれに起因又は関連して生じるあらゆる損害等について、MTGOX及び再生管財人は一切の責任を負わず、私/当社はMTGOX及び再生管財人に対して当該損害等に関して損害賠償請求、補償請求その他一切の請求をしないこと。 I/we will, at my/our responsibility, handle and resolve any and all transactions, communication, disputes, among others, arising between me/us, another rehabilitation creditor, or any other person; and MTGOX and the Rehabilitation Trustee are not liable in any respect for any relevant matter and any Damages arising out thereof or in connection therewith, and I/we will not make any claim for damages or compensation, or make any other claim with respect to such Damages against MTGOX or the Rehabilitation Trustee.
8. 法律、政令、法令、命令、通達、条例、ガイドラインその他の規制(以下「法令等」という。)又は消費税を含む税制の将来の制定又は変更に起因又は関連して生じるあらゆる損害等について、MTGOX及び再生管財人は一切の責任を負わず、私/当社は、MTGOX及び再生管財人に対して当該損害等に関して損害賠償請求、補償請求その他一切の請求をしないこと。また、法令等又は消費税を含む税制の将来の制定又は変更が過去に遡及した場合に、これに起因又は関連して生じるあらゆる損害等について、MTGOX及び再生管財人は一切の責任を負わず、私/当社はMTGOX及び再生管財人に対して当該損害等に関して損害賠償請求、補償請求その他一切の請求をしないこと。 MTGOX and the Rehabilitation Trustee are not liable in any respect for any Damages arising out of or in connection with a future enactment or amendment to a law, cabinet order, ordinance, order, directive, bylaw, guideline, or any other regulation (“Laws”) or the tax system, including consumption tax; and I/we will not make any claim for damages or compensation, or make any other claim with respect to such Damages against MTGOX or the Rehabilitation Trustee. Further, MTGOX and the Rehabilitation Trustee are not liable in any respect for any Damages arising out of or in connection with any future enactment or amendment with a retroactive effect on Laws or the tax system including consumption tax, and I/we will not make any claim for damages or compensation, or make any other claim with respect to such Damages against MTGOX or the Rehabilitation Trustee.
9. 裁判所又は再生管財人が、再生管財人が私/当社のメールアドレスと認めるメールアドレス宛に電子メールにより通知を送信することによって、私/当社に対する適法な通知があったものとみなすこと。当該メールアドレスの不備等(メールアドレスの記載漏れを含む。)に起因又は関連して、当該メールアドレスに宛てた電子メールを送信することができず又は電子メールが到達しない場合(到達が確認できない場合を含む。)であっても同様とすること。 An appropriate notification is deemed to have been made to me/us if the court or the Rehabilitation Trustee sends a notification via email to the email address which is considered to be my/our email address by the Rehabilitation Trustee. The same applies notwithstanding that, due to, or in connection with, an inadequacy, inaccurateness or incompleteness, or any other issue (including omission of the email address), in or with that email address, an email addressed to that email address cannot be sent or the email is not delivered including where receipt is unconfirmed.
10.私/当社が本届出書を利用して行った再生債権の届出の内容について、再生管財人が裁判所その他必要な第三者に提出すること。 The Rehabilitation Trustee may submit the proof of rehabilitation claim filed by me/us using this form to the court and other third parties as necessary.
11.私/当社は、本民事再生手続においてパスワード等を用いて入手することができる一切の情報(他の再生債権者に関する情報を含むが、これに限られない。)を、本民事再生手続における権利行使の目的にのみ使用することとし、第三者に提供、開示又は漏洩しないこと。 I/We will use information (including, but not limited to, information related to any other rehabilitation creditors) acquired by using the Passwords in the Civil Rehabilitation Proceedings only for the purpose of exercising rights in the Civil Rehabilitation Proceedings and will not provide, disclose, or divulge such information to any third party.
12.私/当社の本民事再生手続における議決権の額は、再生管財人が提示する次の為替レートによって、円換算されて評価されること。 The amount of my/our voting rights in the Civil Rehabilitation Proceedings is computed through conversion to Japanese Yen (JPY) using the following exchange rates provided by the Rehabilitation Trustee:
(a) 外国通貨 平成30年6月21日(日本時間)の東京外国為替市場・電信為替売相場として三菱UFJリサーチ&コンサルティング株式会社が公表した相場 Foreign currency: the exchange rates publicly announced by Mitsubishi UFJ Research and Consulting Co., Ltd. as the Tokyo Foreign Exchange Market / Telegraphic Transfer Selling Rate on June 21, 2018 (Japan Time) (b) ビットコイン 平成30年6月21日23時59分(日本時間)時点のCoinDeskが発表する米国ドル建てのビットコイン相場を(a)の相場により日本円に換算した金額(1 BTC=6,724.57米国ドル=749,318.83円。1米国ドル=111.43円) Bitcoin: the amount obtained by converting the Bitcoin price denominated in USD announced by CoinDesk at 23:59 on June 21, 2018 (Japan Time) to JPY using the exchange rate referred to in the above (a). (1 BTC=6,724.57 USD = 749,318.83 JPY; 1 USD = 111.43 JPY) (c) ビットコインキャッシュ 平成30年6月21日23時59分(日本時間)時点のCoinDeskが発表する米国ドル建てのビットコインキャッシュ相場を(a)の相場により日本円に換算した金額(1 BCH=874.82米国ドル=97,481.19円。1米国ドル=111.43円) Bitcoin Cash: the amount obtained by converting the Bitcoin Cash Price denominated in USD announced by CoinDesk at 23:59 on June 21, 2018 (Japan time) to JPY using the exchange rate referred to in the above (a). (1 BCH = 874.82 USD = 97,481.19 JPY; 1 USD = 111.43 JPY) (d) その他の仮想通貨 金額は未定 Amounts for other cryptocurrencies: not determined
13.本民事再生手続においては、ビットコイン等の返還請求権は非金銭債権として取り扱われ、当該返還請求権に係る遅延損害金は生じないこととすること。 In the Civil Rehabilitation Proceedings, the right to claim for return of Bitcoin Etc. is treated as a non-monetary claim, and no delay damages pertaining to such right to claim for return will accrue.
14.再生管財人の私/当社への弁済(金銭及びビットコイン等の弁済を含む。)及びこれに関連する行為が、日本国の外国為替及び外国貿易法、米国財務省の金融制裁(OFAC規制)その他私/当社に関して適用のあるいかなる法令等にも抵触しないこと。再生管財人は、再生管財人の実施する私/当社への弁済及びこれに関連する行為が、日本国外の法令等に抵触しないことをいかなる意味においても保証しないこと。これらの法令等への抵触に起因又は関連して生じるあらゆる損害等について、MTGOX及び再生管財人は一切の責任を負わず、私/当社はMTGOX及び再生管財人に対して当該損害等に関して損害賠償請求、補償請求その他一切の請求をしないこと。再生管財人の私/当社への弁済に起因又は関連して私/当社に課される一切の公租公課(当該弁済の態様によって公租公課の額が増減する場合を含む。)は、私/当社が負担し、当該公租公課又はその増減に起因又は関連して生じるあらゆる損害等について、MTGOX及び再生管財人は一切の責任を負わず、私/当社はMTGOX及び再生管財人に対して当該損害等に関して損害賠償請求、補償請求その他一切の請求をしないこと。 Any payment (including payment of cash and Bitcoin Etc.) to me/us by the Rehabilitation Trustee and any act related thereto do not conflict with the Foreign Exchange and Foreign Trade Act of Japan, the United States Department of the Treasury’s financial sanctions (OFAC regulations) and any other applicable Laws. The Rehabilitation Trustee does not guarantee, in any respect, that payment to me/us by the Rehabilitation Trustee and any act related thereto do not conflict with Laws outside of Japan. MTGOX and the Rehabilitation Trustee are not liable in any respect for any Damages arising out of or in connection with any conflict with any applicable Laws, and I/we will not make any claim for damages or compensation, or make any other claim with respect to such Damages against MTGOX or the Rehabilitation Trustee. I/We will bear all taxes and other public charges (including any increases or decreases in the amount of taxes and other public charges due to the manner of the payment) levied on me/us arising out of or in connection with any payment to me/us by the Rehabilitation Trustee; and MTGOX and the Rehabilitation Trustee are not liable in any respect for any Damages arising out of or in connection with such taxes and other public charges and increase or decrease thereof, and I/we will not make any claim for damages or compensation, or make any other claim with respect to such Damages against MTGOX or the Rehabilitation Trustee.
15.再生管財人が、仮想通貨取引所(日本国内の仮想通貨交換業者を含むが、これに限られない。以下同じ。)又は金融機関(資金移動業者を含む。以下同じ。)に開設された再生債権者の口座に対して弁済金を振り込む場合、私/当社は、再生管財人の指定する方法により届け出た氏名・名称と同一名義の仮想通貨取引所又は金融機関の口座で受け取ること。 If the Rehabilitation Trustee transfers the money for distribution to an account of a rehabilitation creditor opened at a cryptocurrency exchange (including, but not limited to, cryptocurrency exchangers in Japan; the same applies below) or a financial institution (including fund transfer operators; the same applies below), I/we will receive the same in the account at the cryptocurrency exchange or the financial institution under the same name as that name I/we notified in the manner designated by the Rehabilitation Trustee.
16.私/当社が再生管財人の指定する仮想通貨取引所に開設した口座でビットコイン等及び/又は金銭で弁済を受ける場合には、次の各事項。 If I/we receive payment in Bitcoin Etc. and/or in cash in an account opened at the cryptocurrency exchange designated by the Rehabilitation Trustee, the following applies:
(a) 私/当社は、送付先等の必要情報を正確に提供しなければならず、その誤りから結果的にビットコイン等及び/又は金銭を受領できなかったとしても、それに起因又は関連して生じるあらゆる損害等について、MTGOX及び再生管財人は一切の責任を負わず、私/当社はMTGOX及び再生管財人に対して当該損害等に関して損害賠償請求、補償請求その他一切の請求をしないこと。 I/we must accurately provide necessary information about my/our accounts, among others, and, notwithstanding that an error therein results in my/our not receiving Bitcoin, Etc. or cash, MTGOX and the Rehabilitation Trustee are not liable in any respect for any Damages arising out of or in connection with such non-receipt, and I/we will not make any claim for damages or compensation, or make any other claim with respect to such Damages against MTGOX or the Rehabilitation Trustee.
(b) 再生管財人がビットコイン等及び/又は金銭を当該仮想通貨取引所に交付した時点で弁済が完了し、MTGOX及び再生管財人の弁済義務は消滅するものとし、再生管財人による当該仮想通貨取引所へのビットコイン等及び/又は金銭の交付後、私/当社が何らかの理由(仮想通貨のブロックチェーンの不具合、仮想通貨取引所のシステムの不具合を含むが、これらに限られない。)により仮想通貨取引所からのビットコイン等及び/又は金銭の適切な弁済を受けることができなかったとしても、それに起因又は関連して生じるあらゆる損害等について、MTGOX及び再生管財人は一切の責任を負わず、私/当社はMTGOX及び再生管財人に対して当該損害等に関して損害賠償請求、補償請求その他一切の請求をしないこと。 The instant the Rehabilitation Trustee sends Bitcoin, Etc. or cash to the cryptocurrency exchange, the payment by MTGOX and the Rehabilitation Trustee is deemed complete, and the payment obligation of MTGOX and the Rehabilitation Trustee is deemed to be discharged; and, after Bitcoin Etc. or cash has been sent to the cryptocurrency exchange by the Rehabilitation Trustee, notwithstanding that I/we fail to receive appropriate payment of Bitcoin Etc. or cash from the cryptocurrency exchange for any reason (including, but not limited to, a malfunction in the blockchain of the cryptocurrency or a system malfunction at the cryptocurrency exchange), MTGOX and the Rehabilitation Trustee are not liable in any respect for any Damages arising out of or in connection with such failure, and I/we will not make any claim for damages or compensation, or make any other claim with respect to such Damages against MTGOX or the Rehabilitation Trustee.
17.私/当社が金融機関の口座において金銭で弁済を受ける場合には、次の各事項。 If I/we receive cash in an account at a financial institution, the following applies:
(a) 私/当社は、送付先等の必要情報を正確に提供しなければならず、その誤りから結果的に金銭を受領できなかったとしても、それに起因又は関連して生じるあらゆる損害等について、MTGOX及び再生管財人は一切の責任を負わず、私/当社はMTGOX及び再生管財人に対して当該損害等に関して損害賠償請求、補償請求その他一切の請求をしないこと。 I/We must accurately provide necessary information about my/our accounts, among others, and, notwithstanding that an error therein results in my/our not receiving cash, MTGOX and the Rehabilitation Trustee are not liable in any respect for any Damages arising out of or in connection with that, and I/we will not make any claim for damages or compensation, or make any other claim with respect to such Damages against MTGOX or the Rehabilitation Trustee.
(b) 取扱通貨の種別や送金元銀行との取引の有無、日本国内外の法令等及び各金融機関の内部基準への抵触並びに諸手数料の発生その他要因に基づき弁済金を受領できなかったとしても、それに起因又は関連して生じるあらゆる損害等について、MTGOX及び再生管財人は一切の責任を負わず、私/当社はMTGOX及び再生管財人に対して当該損害等に関して損害賠償請求、補償請求その他一切の請求をしないこと。 Notwithstanding that I/we fail to receive cash for distribution due to unavailability of the designated currencies or transactions with the designated financial institutions, any conflict with Laws in or outside Japan or an internal standard of any relevant financial institution, various processing charges and fees, or any other causes, MTGOX and the Rehabilitation Trustee are not liable in any respect for any Damages arising out of or in connection with that, and I/we will not make any claim for damages or compensation, or make any other claim with respect to such Damages against MTGOX or the Rehabilitation Trustee.
(c) 諸手数料等を差し引いた金額の弁済金を受け取る場合であっても、当該諸手数料等に起因又は関連して生じるあらゆる損害等について、MTGOX及び再生管財人は一切の責任を負わず、私/当社はMTGOX及び再生管財人に対して当該損害等に関して損害賠償請求、補償請求その他一切の請求をしないこと。 Notwithstanding that I/we have received payment from which various processing charges and fees have been deducted, MTGOX and the Rehabilitation Trustee are not liable in any respect for any Damages arising out of or in connection with such processing charges and fees, and I/we will not make any claim for damages or compensation, or make any other claim with respect to such Damages against MTGOX or the Rehabilitation Trustee.
18.フォークコインに係る再生債権の届出については、ビットコインに関する再生債権の届出をもって、届け出たビットコインの数に応じて、フォークコインに係る再生債権についても届け出たものとみなし、再生債権者は独自にフォークコインに係る再生債権を届け出ないこと。再生債権の届出があるとみなされるフォークコインは、通常の方法により売却可能であり、かつ、財産的価値のあるものに限られ、それ以外のフォークコインについては、再生債権の届出があるとは認められないこと。なお、ビットコインキャッシュは再生債権の届出があるとみなされるフォークコインに含まれること。 The filing of a proof of rehabilitation claim for a Fork Coin is deemed to have been made in proportion to the number of the filed Bitcoin for which the proof of rehabilitation claim has been filed, and the rehabilitation creditor cannot file its own proof of rehabilitation claim for a Fork Coin. Fork Coins that are deemed to have been filed are limited to those that can be sold in an ordinary manner and that have property value, and no other Fork Coin will be recognized as being deemed to have been filed. Bitcoin Cash is included in Fork Coins that are deemed to have been filed.
19.私/当社が再生管財人により認められた債権を契約により第三者に譲渡する場合には、当該譲渡契約の準拠法は日本法にするものとし、MTGOX及び再生管財人に当該譲渡を対抗するためには、日本法に基づく債権譲渡の対抗要件その他再生管財人が指定する要件を備えることが必要であること。再生管財人は、各国の法令等の定め及び債権譲渡契約で定められた準拠法の定めにかかわらず、日本法のみに基づき債権譲渡契約の有効性及び対抗要件具備の有無を判断すること。再生管財人が日本法に基づき債権譲渡契約の有効性及び対抗要件具備の有無を判断することに起因又は関連して生じるあらゆる損害等について、MTGOX及び再生管財人は一切の責任を負わず、私/当社はMTGOX及び再生管財人に対して当該損害等に関して損害賠償請求、補償請求その他一切の請求をしないこと。 If I/we intend to transfer or assign any rehabilitation claim that was approved by the Rehabilitation Trustee to any third party pursuant to an agreement, the governing law for such agreement shall be Japanese law, and the perfection requirements in accordance with the relevant Japanese law and any other requirements specified by the Rehabilitation Trustee shall be fully satisfied to perfect such claim transfer or assignment against MTGOX and the Rehabilitation Trustee. The Rehabilitation Trustee will determine the validity of such claim transfer or assignment and perfection thereof pursuant only to Japanese law, irrespective of any statute in each country’s Laws and any governing law provided for in such agreement. MTGOX and the Rehabilitation Trustee are not liable in any respect for any Damages arising out of or in connection with the Rehabilitation Trustee determining the validity of such claim transfer or assignment and perfection thereof pursuant to Japanese law, and I/we will not make any claim for damages or compensation, or make any other claim with respect to such Damages against MTGOX or the Rehabilitation Trustee.
20.再生管財人による債権譲渡の承認が、債権譲渡の承認に必要な手続(譲渡人及び譲受人の本人確認、譲渡を証明する文書の検証を含むが、これらに限られない。)その他の理由により遅滞した場合であっても、これに起因又は関連して生じるあらゆる損害等について、MTGOX及び再生管財人は一切の責任を負わず、私/当社はMTGOX及び再生管財人に対して当該損害等に関して損害賠償請求、補償請求その他一切の請求をしないこと。 Notwithstanding that approval by the Rehabilitation Trustee of a claim transfer or assignment is delayed by the procedures necessary for approval of a claim transfer or assignment (including, but not limited to, identity check of the transferoassignor and transferee/assignee and verification of documents proving transfer or assignment) or any other reason, MTGOX and the Rehabilitation Trustee are not liable in any respect for any Damages arising out of or in connection with such delay, and I/we will not make any claim for damages or compensation, or make any other claim with respect to such Damages against MTGOX or the Rehabilitation Trustee.
21.ある再生債権を譲渡する場合、当該再生債権の全部を譲渡することとし、その一部のみを譲渡しないこと。 If a rehabilitation claim is transferred or assigned, all of such rehabilitation claim, not part thereof, shall be transferred or assigned.
22.ビットコイン等に係る再生債権を譲渡する場合には、対象となるビットコイン及び当該ビットコインから分岐したフォークコインを併せて譲渡するものとし、ビットコイン又はフォークコインに係る再生債権を個別に譲渡しないこと。 If a rehabilitation claim pertaining to Bitcoin, Etc. is transferred or assigned, the Bitcoin subject to such transfer or assignment and the Fork Coin split from such Bitcoin shall be transferred or assigned collectively, and a rehabilitation claim pertaining to Bitcoin or Fork Coin shall not be transferred or assigned individually.
23.情報の取扱いに関する同意事項 Matters of consent related to information management
(a) 再生管財人が、以下の情報(個人情報の保護に関する法律(平成15年法律第57号)第2条第1項により定義される個人情報その他識別された又は識別可能な自然人に関する一切の情報を含むが、これに限られない。以下同じ。)を収集すること。 The Rehabilitation Trustee may collect the information below (including, but not limited to, personal information defined under Article 2(1) of the Act on the Protection of Personal Information (Act No. 57 of 2003) and any other information relating to an identified or identifiable natural person; the same applies below)
i. 私/当社が再生管財人に提供する情報 information that I/we provided to the Rehabilitation Trustee;
ii. 私/当社以外の情報源(身元証明サービス機関を含むが、これに限られない。)から収集する私/当社の情報 information concerning me/us provided by an information source (including, but not limited to, organizations providing ID verification services) other than myself/ourselves;
iii. 本破産手続において、私/当社が本破産手続の破産管財人に提供した一切の情報 all information that I/we provided to the bankruptcy trustee of the Bankruptcy Proceedings;
iv. 私/当社が、MTGOXに提供した一切の情報 all information that I/we provided to MTGOX; and
v. その他再生管財人が適正な方法により取得し、又は今後取得する情報 any other information acquired, or to be acquired going forward, by the Rehabilitation Trustee using an appropriate method
(b) 再生管財人が、収集した上記(a)の情報を、以下の目的で日本国内外で管理及び利用すること。 The Rehabilitation Trustee may manage and use collected information stated in (a) above for the purposes below in and outside of Japan.
i. 再生債権の届出、調査、再生計画の立案、再生計画に基づく弁済その他の本民事再生手続の適切な遂行 filing proofs of rehabilitation claim, investigations of rehabilitation claims, drafting a rehabilitation plan, distribution in accordance with a rehabilitation plan, or any other appropriate execution of the Civil Rehabilitation Proceedings;
ii. 公益的な目的のためにする、日本国内外の行政官庁・捜査機関・司法機関への上記(a)の情報の開示又は提供 disclosing or providing information stated in (a) above to any government office, any investigation agency, or any judicial agency in or outside of Japan for the purpose of serving public interests; and
iii. その他上記目的に付随する目的 any other purposes incidental to the above purposes.
(c) 再生管財人が、上記(b)の目的のため、上記(a)の情報を、第三者(以下の者を含むが、これらに限られない。)に開示又は提供する場合があること。これらの第三者には、①米国、②カナダ、③イギリス、④私/当社が所在する国及び⑤私/当社が再生債権の弁済の受領のために利用する金融機関又は仮想通貨取引所が所在する国に、それぞれ所在する第三者が含まれること。 The Rehabilitation Trustee may disclose or provide information stated in (a) above for the purpose of (b) above to any third party (including, but not limited to, the persons below). The third parties hereunder include third parties located in (i) the United States of America, (ii) Canada, (iii) the United Kingdom, (iv) the country in which I am/we are located, and (v) the country in which the financial institution or cryptocurrency exchange that I/we use to receive payment for the rehabilitation claim is located.
東京地方裁判所その他裁判所(日本国外の裁判所を含む。)、本民事再生手続及び本破産手続(併せて以下「本民事再生手続等」という。)における調査委員(その代理及び補佐を含む。)その他の機関、日本国内外の行政官庁・捜査機関、管財人が本民事再生手続等の遂行のために依頼する法律事務所及びデロイトトーマツコンサルティング合同会社等の専門家、金融機関、仮想通貨取引所、他の再生債権者、Eメールサービスプロバイダー、及び詐欺行為検証サービスプロバイダー Tokyo District Court and other courts (including courts outside of Japan); the Examiner (chosa iin) (including deputy examiners and assistant examiners) and other officers or bodies in the Civil Rehabilitation Proceedings or the Bankruptcy Proceedings (collectively, the “Civil Rehabilitation Proceedings, Etc.”); government offices and investigation agencies in or outside of Japan; counsel and experts including the law firms and Deloitte Tohmatsu Consulting LLC. which the trustee has retained to proceed with the Civil Rehabilitation Proceedings, Etc.; financial institutions; cryptocurrency exchangers; other rehabilitation creditors; email service providers; and fraudulent act verification service providers
(d) 管財人は、本民事再生手続等に必要な限りで私/当社のブラウザ設定により影響されない特定の永続クッキーを使用する可能性があること。 The trustee might, to the extent necessary for the Civil Rehabilitation Proceedings, Etc., use a specific permanent cookies setting that will be unaffected by my/our browser setting.
24.私/当社の再生債権に関する事項が、オンライン上で他の再生債権者による閲覧の対象となり、また、東京地方裁判所において本民事再生手続の利害関係人の閲覧及び謄写の対象となる場合があること。 The information regarding my/our rehabilitation claim may be available online to other rehabilitation creditors, and may be subject to the inspection and copying thereof at the Tokyo District Court by an interested party in the Civil Rehabilitation Proceedings.
25.私が死亡した場合、本民事再生手続との関係では、再生管財人が、日本の法令等及び実務に従って、相続に関する各種関係資料の提出を求め、また、誰を再生債権者として取り扱うかについて判断すること、及び、当該判断に起因又は関連して生じるあらゆる損害等について、MTGOX及び再生管財人は一切の責任を負わず、私及び私の相続人はMTGOX及び再生管財人に対して当該損害等に関して損害賠償請求、補償請求その他一切の請求をしないこと。 For the purpose of the Civil Rehabilitation Proceedings, in the event that I died, the Rehabilitation Trustee may, in accordance with the Laws and practices of Japan, request for relevant evidence and explanation on the inheritance and determine who to be treated as the rehabilitation creditor; and MTGOX and the Rehabilitation Trustee are not liable in any respect for any Damages arising out of or in connection with such determination, and I and my heir(s)/successor(s) will not make any claim for damages or compensation, or make any other claim with respect to such Damages against MTGOX or the Rehabilitation Trustee.
26.本同意事項は日本語を正文とすること。本同意事項につき作成される英語の翻訳文は参考にすぎず、日本語と英語との間で相互に内容の相違、矛盾がある場合であっても、日本語のみが効力を有すること。 The governing language of these terms of consent shall be the Japanese language. The English-language translation thereof is merely for reference purposes only; and notwithstanding any discrepancy or contradiction in details between the Japanese-language original and the English-language translation the Japanese-language original shall prevail.
27. 本民事再生手続等及びこれに関連又は付随して生じる一切の請求又は紛争は日本法に準拠し、東京地方裁判所を専属的合意管轄裁判所とすること。 The Civil Rehabilitation Proceedings, Etc. and all claims and disputes arising out of, in connection with, or incidental to, the Civil Rehabilitation Proceedings, Etc. are governed by Japanese law, and the Tokyo District Court shall have exclusive jurisdiction.
28. 再生管財人が、本同意事項を必要に応じ変更すること。但し、再生管財人が変更についてwww.mtgox.comにおいて告知したものに限る。 The Rehabilitation Trustee will, as necessary, amend these terms of consent. However, amendments are limited to those that the Rehabilitation Trustee has notified on the website www.mtgox.com.
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March 20th 2019 Creditors Meeting Q&A

As usual the documents distributed during the creditors meeting are available from the MtGox.com website.
Meeting started at 13:30, Q&A at 14:02. Next creditors meeting will be held October 1st 2019 at 13:30.
Apart from what is written on the report, the trustee mentioned that large claims in assessment could make it difficult for civil rehabilitation to continue moving forward, and also mentions that seeing how bitcoin price dropped it might be better to sell. He asked people in the room at the end who was for selling BTC (0% responded "for", ~20% responded "against") but mentioned he wouldn't be bound by this and would act in the interest of creditors with approval of the court.
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Just received approval of my claim

To creditor No. XXXXX Dear XXX
On March 15, 2019, the Rehabilitation Trustee approved or disapproved rehabilitation claims regarding MTGOX Bitcoin exchange users’ rights to make claims against MTGOX for return of cash or cryptocurrency, and submitted to the Tokyo District Court a statement of approval or disapproval.
As a result, all of the amounts of your filed claim(s) have been approved.
Details of the results of approval or disapproval may also be found at this website: https://www.mtgox.com/
I will contact you in due course with respect to future procedures regarding approved claims.
Rehabilitation Debtor: MtGox Co., Ltd. Rehabilitation Trustee: Nobuaki Kobayashi, Attorney-at-law
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Near $1B are currently on the move from a Silkroad related wallet

Near $1B are currently on the move from a Silkroad related wallet
It seems that the owner of a huge #SilkRoad related wallet is moving funds actively since 3 days, dividing it in chunks of 100 coins by subwallets.
The original wallet owned 111,114.62 $BTC / $BCH , which is currently valuated ~ $844M (without taking in account other #Bitcoin forks).
Last movements on these subwallets are 4 years and 5 months old (March 9th, 2014).
The chunks have been divided over time to 60,000 coins then to 30,000 / 20,000 / 10,000 / 5,000 / 500 and now 100 coins.
#Bitcoin: https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/address/1KyJr2L6CN5XhDfv9Sb5q3kjKwFCrRxTLy/transactions
#BitcoinCash: https://www.blocktrail.com/BCC/address/1KyJr2L6CN5XhDfv9Sb5q3kjKwFCrRxTLy/transactions
Does the owner intend selling it on the market soon?

Update 1
For those who asked, the original wallet (1933phfhK3ZgFQNLGSDXvqCn32k2buXY8a) seems to be related to a SilkRoad address per this post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=310600.0.
So it's most probably a wallet owned linked to DPR / SilkRoad. Note that this address is still active with 5 transactions executed in 2018 and 13 in 2017, with really small amount of BTC received/sent.
However, I ran some checks and it does not seem to be linked to the DPR seized coins wallet (1FfmbHfnpaZjKFvyi1okTjJJusN455paPH, there's only a 0.001 BTC link between the 2 addresses), so either the FBI did not sold them yet (last auction was in November 2015) or someone else (linked or not to SilkRoad) has access to it .
Finally, if it's not a SilkRoad related wallet the other options are, by descending probability order:
a) a MtGox cold wallet that has been seized or is still owned by MtGox: in fact the wallet funds moved in March 2014 right after MtGox filed for bankruptcy one month earlier in February 2014; these movements dates are really similar to the 200,000 lost coins "found" by Karpeles which moved March 7th, 2014 (1dda0f8827518ce4d1d824bf7600f75ec7e199774a090a947c58a65ab63552e3), just 2 days before the movements on the wallet we are talking about here.
b) a whale wallet since the major part of the 111,111 coins are coming from a very old deposit of 37,421 coins processed on June 21st, 2011 making this an early adopter's wallet (70d46f768b73e50440e41977eb13ab25826137a8d34486958c7d55c5931c6081)
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z) CSW's wallet ... https://www.scribd.com/document/372445546/Bitcoin-Lawsuit, credits mishax1

Update 2
This amount of $1B in bitcoins that MtGox is going to return to customers looks pretty familiar, it could match the 111,114-coin wallets we are investigating here: https://btcmanager.com/mt-gox-preparing-return-1b-stolen-bitcoin-affected-users/.
But the methodology of transfer does not match in my opinion, it looks that the owner tries to hide the movements by mixing the coins.

Update 3
Investigating the $1B Bitcoins on the move from a SilkRoad related wallet: https://www.reddit.com/Bitcoin/comments/9bwsaf/investigating_the_1b_bitcoins_on_the_move_from_a/

Update 4
$1B Bitcoins On The Move: Owner Transfers ~$100M to Bitfinex And Binance In 10 Days
https://www.reddit.com/Bitcoin/comments/9ceb5v/1b_bitcoins_on_the_move_owner_transfers_100m_to/

Update 5
MtGox vs SilkRoad origin and September 6th BTC price impact is now discussed here: https://www.reddit.com/btc/comments/9dvaj1b_bitcoins_on_the_move_mtgox_vs_silkroad_origin/

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If Coinbase/Pro ever got hacked would our cash/bitcoin be insured or not?

UK Coinbase Pro user here, just wondering if there was ever a MtGox situation at coinbase (god forbid) would we get our BTC/Cash back?.
According to their website "Coinbase prioritizes the security of our customer's funds, all digital currency that Coinbase holds online is insured. If Coinbase were to suffer a breach of its online storage, the insurance policy would pay out to cover any customer funds lost as a result. Coinbase holds less than 2% of customer funds online. The rest is held in offline storage". "If you are a United States resident, your Coinbase USD Wallet is covered by FDIC insurance, up to a maximum of $250,000".
Does this mean that as a UK customer we would get our Cash and Bitcoin stored on our UK accounts back (or just the current monetary value of our accounts etc?).
Thanks!
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A good reminder of what we (BCH) gained from the hardfork, a review of all the lies and broken promises by CSW

From Jonald Fyookball's Medium Article
https://medium.com/@jonaldfyookball/bitcoin-cash-is-finally-free-of-faketoshi-great-days-lie-ahead-bb0c833e4c5d
Some background on Craig’s claim of being Satoshi, for the uninitiated:
  1. He faked blog posts
  2. He faked PGP keys
  3. He faked contracts and emails
  4. He faked threats
  5. He faked a public key signing
  6. He has a well-documented history of fabricating things bitcoin and non-bitcoin related
  7. He faked a bitcoin trust to get free money from the Australian government but was caught and fined over a million dollars.
And specifically concerning his claim to be Satoshi:
  1. He has provided no independently verifiable evidence
  2. He is not technically competent in the subject matter
  3. His writing style is nothing like Satoshi’s
  4. He called bitcoin “Bit Coin” in 2011 when Satoshi never used a space
  5. He actively bought and traded coins from Mt. Gox in 2013 and 2014
  6. He was paid millions for ‘coming out’ as Satoshi as part of the deal to sell his patents to nTrust — for those who claim he was ‘outed’ or had no motive

Caught Red Handed Plagiarizing

No respectable academic, scientist, or professional needs to stoop so low as to steal and take credit for the work of others — least of all Satoshi. Yet, CSW has already been caught at least 3 times plagiarizing.
  1. His paper on selfish mining has full sections copied almost verbatim from a paper written by Liu & Wang.
  2. His “Beyond Godel” paper which purports to claim that Bitcoin script is turing complete, is heavily plagiarized.
  3. A paper on block propagation was blatantly and intentionally plagiarized.

Can’t Even Steal Code Correctly

CSW was also caught attempting to plagiarize a “hello world” program (the simplest of all computer programs).
He apparently does not understand base58 or how Bitcoin address checksums work (both of these are common knowledge to experienced Bitcoiners), and has made other embarrasing errors.
Broken Promises
He said he was building a mining pool to “stop SegWit”
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Mt.Gox refunds incoming. BTC price should get interesting in the next few weeks.

FYI: I just received the following email...
On March 15, 2019, the Rehabilitation Trustee approved or disapproved rehabilitation claims regarding MTGOX Bitcoin exchange users’ rights to make claims against MTGOX for return of cash or cryptocurrency, and submitted to the Tokyo District Court a statement of approval or disapproval.
As a result, all of the amounts of your filed claim(s) have been approved.
I will contact you in due course with respect to future procedures regarding approved claims.
Rehabilitation Debtor: MtGox Co., Ltd. Rehabilitation Trustee: Nobuaki Kobayashi, Attorney-at-law
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Roger Ver is a well-known scammer.

rbtc-censorship https://gist.github.com/chris-belchec9f4b90bec1b2fbf8caaab178719ac24
"Roger Ver openly admitting that he will promote BCash as Bitcoin" https://de.reddit.com/Bitcoin/comments/7jzpiafter_roger_ver_openly_admitting_that_he_will/
"MtGox is fine" Roger Ver https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UP1YsMlrfF0 Thousands of people lost their life savings on Mtgox shortly after that.
Vote manipulation: https://twitter.com/brian_trollz/status/887699030901501952?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fs9e.github.io%2Fiframe%2Ftwitter.min.html%23887699030901501952
Astroturfing - "Roger Ver pays a public relations company to astroturf social media with anti-core, pro-BU propaganda."- former mod https://twitter.com/notgrubles/status/842826844311375872
Roger´s sockpuppets: https://de.reddit.com/Bitcoin/comments/87t3ot/delicious_proof_that_roger_employs_sockpuppets/
https://twitter.com/DanDarkPill/status/979325093666082817
Bought accounts to push agenda: https://www.reddit.com/Bitcoin/comments/6uqz6k/markets_update_bitcoin_cash_rallies_for_three/dlurbpx/
MemoryDealers.com founder Roger Ver abuses admin access at Blockchain.info https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=131608.0;all
Roger buying likes on twitter https://twitter.com/Excellion/status/900445557436538880
Roger Ver Lies https://decentralize.today/roger-ver-lies-f5333e152858
Antpool = Viabtc conclusive proof https://www.reddit.com/Bitcoin/comments/6v2fic/in_case_you_still_didnt_believe_it_antpool_viabtc/
The fee lie - Everyone can see that roger ver is lying again when there are literally no txs in the #Bitcoin mempool and 5 sat txs are in the next block https://twitter.com/WhalePanda/status/903866375567007745
More fee lies from "Bitcoin Judas"
https://twitter.com/WhalePanda/status/921994604500709377
Roger Ver lies more often than he tells the truth. This is not an attack, just an objective observation of the facts.
"Mt. Gox is totally fine." (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UP1YsMlrfF0) ... shortly thereafter Mt. Gox implodes ... "I am here to 'apologize'. Even though everything I said when I told you 'Mt. Gox is fine' was true, I am sorry that some of you lost money when it collapsed. Buy ether."
"I am banned from posting in /Bitcoin" ... accidentally posts to /Bitcoin ... "Oops. Now I'll pretend like I never claimed to be banned from /Bitcoin, and ignore anyone who asks me about that claim."
"I've dumped a few hundred BTC for BCC"... 2 weeks later: "I haven't sold a single Bitcoin for Bitcoin Cash up until yesterday"
He lies about the subreddit he controls. He regularly lies about his holdings. He lied and scammed his way into the bitcoin.com domain, which he uses to push out FUD about Bitcoin and its developers. He lies on agreements he signs (e.g. "the bitcoin.com pool will mine with NYA/btc1/2x code... whoops just kidding, we're mining bcash instead"). He even had the audacity to lie about what happened in court, when there is a public transcript available which disproves everything he said.
There are more examples of blatant deception that I don't have the time or patience to dig up right now. Make no mistake: the man is, unfortunately, a sociopath.
https://de.reddit.com/Bitcoin/comments/6xpu8j/roger_ver_lies/
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An extensive guide for cashing out bitcoin and cryptocurrencies into private banks

Hey guys.
Merry Xmas !
I am coming back to you with a follow up post, as I have helped many people cash out this year and I have streamlined the process. After my original post, I received many requests to be more specific and provide more details. I thought that after the amazing rally we have been attending over the last few months, and the volatility of the last few days, it would be interesting to revisit more extensively.
The attitude of banks around crypto is changing slowly, but it is still a tough stance. For the first partial cash out I operated around a year ago for a client, it took me months to find a bank. They wouldn’t want to even consider the case and we had to knock at each and every door. Despite all my contacts it was very difficult back in the days. This has changed now, and banks have started to open their doors, but there is a process, a set of best practices and codes one has to follow.
I often get requests from crypto guys who are very privacy-oriented, and it takes me months to have them understand that I am bound by Swiss law on banking secrecy, and I am their ally in this onboarding process. It’s funny how I have to convince people that banks are legit, while on the other side, banks ask me to show that crypto millionaires are legit. I have a solid background in both banking and in crypto so I manage to make the bridge, but yeah sometimes it is tough to reconcile the two worlds. I am a crypto enthusiast myself and I can say that after years of work in the banking industry I have grown disillusioned towards banks as well, like many of you. Still an account in a Private bank is convenient and powerful. So let’s get started.
There are two different aspects to your onboarding in a Swiss Private bank, compliance-wise.
*The origin of your crypto wealth
*Your background (residence, citizenship and probity)
These two aspects must be documented in-depth.
How to document your crypto wealth. Each new crypto millionaire has a different story. I may detail a few fun stories later in this post, but at the end of the day, most of crypto rich I have met can be categorized within the following profiles: the miner, the early adopter, the trader, the corporate entity, the black market, the libertarian/OTC buyer. The real question is how you prove your wealth is legit.
1. Context around the original amount/investment Generally speaking, your first crypto purchase may not be documented. But the context around this acquisition can be. I have had many cases where the original amount was bought through Mtgox, and no proof of purchase could be provided, nor could be documented any Mtgox claim. That’s perfectly fine. At some point Mtgox amounted 70% of the bitcoin transactions globally, and people who bought there and managed to withdraw and keep hold of their bitcoins do not have any Mtgox claim. This is absolutely fine. However, if you can show me the record of a wire from your bank to Tisbane (Mtgox's parent company) it's a great way to start.
Otherwise, what I am trying to document here is the following: I need context. If you made your first purchase by saving from summer jobs, show me a payroll. Even if it was USD 2k. If you acquired your first bitcoins from mining, show me the bills of your mining equipment from 2012 or if it was through a pool mine, give me your slushpool account ref for instance. If you were given bitcoin against a service you charged, show me an invoice.
2. Tracking your wealth until today and making sense of it. What I have been doing over the last few months was basically educating compliance officers. Thanks God, the blockchain is a global digital ledger! I have been telling my auditors and compliance officers they have the best tool at their disposal to lead a proper investigation. Whether you like it or not, your wealth can be tracked, from address to address. You may have thought all along this was a bad feature, but I am telling you, if you want to cash out, in the context of Private Banking onboarding, tracking your wealth through the block explorer is a boon. We can see the inflows, outflows. We can see the age behind an address. An early adopter who bought 1000 BTC in 2010, and let his bitcoin behind one address and held thus far is legit, whether or not he has a proof of purchase to show. That’s just common sense. My job is to explain that to the banks in a language they understand.
Let’s have a look at a few examples and how to document the few profiles I mentioned earlier.
The trader. I love traders. These are easy cases. I have a ton of respect for them. Being a trader myself in investment banks for a decade earlier in my career has taught me that controlling one’s emotions and having the discipline to impose oneself some proper risk management system is really really hard. Further, being able to avoid the exchange bankruptcy and hacks throughout crypto history is outstanding. It shows real survival instinct, or just plain blissed ignorance. In any cases traders at exchange are easy cases to corroborate since their whole track record is potentially available. Some traders I have met have automated their trading and have shown me more than 500k trades done over the span of 4 years. Obviously in this kind of scenario I don’t show everything to the bank to avoid information overload, and prefer to do some snacking here and there. My strategy is to show the early trades, the most profitable ones, explain the trading strategy and (partially expose) the situation as of now with id pages of the exchanges and current balance. Many traders have become insensitive to the risk of parking their crypto at exchange as they want to be able to trade or to grasp an occasion any minute, so they generally do not secure a substantial portion on the blockchain which tends to make me very nervous.
The early adopter. Provided that he has not mixed his coin, the early adopter or “hodler” is not a difficult case either. Who cares how you bought your first 10k btc if you bought them below 3$ ? Even if you do not have a purchase proof, I would generally manage to find ways. We just have to corroborate the original 30’000 USD investment in this case. I mainly focus on three things here:
*proof of early adoption I have managed to educate some banks on a few evidences specifically related to crypto markets. For instance with me, an old bitcointalk account can serve as a proof of early adoption. Even an old reddit post from a few years ago where you say how much you despise this Ripple premined scam can prove to be a treasure readily available to show you were early.
*story telling Compliance officers like to know when, why and how. They are human being looking for simple answers to simple questions and they don’t want like to be played fool. Telling the truth, even without a proof can do wonders, and even though bluffing might still work because banks don’t fully understand bitcoin yet, it is a risky strategy that is less and less likely to pay off as they are getting more sophisticated by the day.
*micro transaction from an old address you control This is the killer feature. Send a $20 worth transaction from an old address to my company wallet and to one of my partner bank’s wallet and you are all set ! This is gold and considered a very solid piece of evidence. You can also do a microtransaction to your own wallet, but banks generally prefer transfer to their own wallet. Patience with them please. they are still learning.
*signature message Why do a micro transaction when you can sign a message and avoid potentially tainting your coins ?
*ICO millionaire Some clients made their wealth participating in ETH crowdsale or IOTA ICO. They were very easy to deal with obviously and the account opening was very smooth since we could evidence the GENESIS TxHash flow.
The miner Not so easy to proof the wealth is legit in that case. Most early miners never took screenshot of the blocks on bitcoin core, nor did they note down the block number of each block they mined. Until the the Slashdot article from August 2010 anyone could mine on his laptop, let his computer run overnight and wake up to a freshly minted block containing 50 bitcoins back in the days. Not many people were structured enough to store and secure these coins, avoid malwares while syncing the blockchain continuously, let alone document the mined blocks in the process. What was 50 BTC worth really for the early miners ? dust of dollars, games and magic cards… Even miners post 2010 are generally difficult to deal with in terms of compliance onboarding. Many pool mining are long dead. Deepbit is down for instance and the founders are MIA. So my strategy to proof mining activity is as follow:
*Focusing on IT background whenever possible. An IT background does help a lot to bring some substance to the fact you had the technical ability to operate a mining rig.
*Showing mining equipment receipts. If you mined on your own you must have bought the hardware to do so. For instance mining equipment receipts from butterfly lab from 2012-2013 could help document your case. Similarly, high electricity bill from your household on a consistent basis back in the day could help. I have already unlocked a tricky case in the past with such documents when the bank was doubtful.
*Wallet.dat files with block mining transactions from 2011 thereafter This obviously is a fantastic piece of evidence for both you and me if you have an old wallet and if you control an address that received original mined blocks, (even if the wallet is now empty). I will make sure compliance officers understand what it means, and as for the early adopter, you can prove your control over these wallet through a microtransaction. With these kind of addresses, I can show on the block explorer the mined block rewards hitting at regular time interval, and I can even spot when difficulty level increased or when halvening process happened.
*Poolmining account. Here again I have educated my partner bank to understand that a slush account opened in 2013 or an OnionTip presence was enough to corroborate mining activity. The block explorer then helps me to do the bridge with your current wallet.
*Describing your set up and putting it in context In the history of mining we had CPU, GPU, FPG and ASICs mining. I will describe your technical set up and explain why and how your set up was competitive at that time.
The corporate entity Remember 2012 when we were all convinced bitcoin would take over the world, and soon everyone would pay his coffee in bitcoin? How naïve we were to think transaction fees would remain low forever. I don’t blame bitcoin cash supporters; I once shared this dream as well. Remember when we thought global adoption was right around the corner and some brick and mortar would soon accept bitcoin transaction as a common mean of payment? Well, some shop actually did accept payment and held. I had a few cases as such of shops holders, who made it to the multi million mark holding and had invoices or receipts to proof the transactions. If you are organized enough to keep a record for these trades and are willing to cooperate for the documentation, you are making your life easy. The digital advertising business is also a big market for the bitcoin industry, and affiliates partner compensated in btc are common. It is good to show an invoice, it is better to show a contract. If you do not have a contract (which is common since all advertising deals are about ticking a check box on the website to accept terms and conditions), there are ways around that. If you are in that case, pm me.
The black market Sorry guys, I can’t do much for you officially. Not that I am judging you. I am a libertarian myself. It’s just already very difficult to onboard legit btc adopters, so the black market is a market I cannot afford to consider. My company is regulated so KYC and compliance are key for me if I want to stay in business. Behind each case I push forward I am risking the credibility and reputation I have built over the years. So I am sorry guys I am not risking it to make an extra buck. Your best hope is that crypto will eventually take over the world and you won’t need to cash out anyway. Or go find a Lithuanian bank that is light on compliance and cooperative.
The OTC buyer and the libertarian. Generally a very difficult case. If you bought your stack during your journey in Japan 5 years ago to a guy you never met again; or if you accumulated on https://localbitcoins.com/ and kept no record or lost your account, it is going to be difficult. Not impossible but difficult. We will try to build a case with everything else we have, and I may be able to onboard you. However I am risking a lot here so I need to be 100% confident you are legit, before I defend you. Come & see me in Geneva, and we will talk. I will run forensic services like elliptic, chainalysis, or scorechain on an extract of your wallet. If this scan does not raise too many red flags, then maybe we can work together ! If you mixed your coins all along your crypto history, and shredded your seeds because you were paranoid, or if you made your wealth mining professionally monero over the last 3 years but never opened an account at an exchange. ¯_(ツ)_/¯ I am not a magician and don’t get me wrong, I love monero, it’s not the point.
Cashing out ICOs Private companies or foundations who have ran an ICO generally have a very hard time opening a bank account. The few banks that accept such projects would generally look at 4 criteria:
*Seriousness of the project Extensive study of the whitepaper to limit the reputation risk
*AML of the onboarding process ICOs 1.0 have no chance basically if a background check of the investors has not been conducted
*Structure of the moral entity List of signatories, certificate of incumbency, work contract, premises...
*Fiscal conformity Did the company informed the authorities and seek a fiscal ruling.
For the record, I am not into the tax avoidance business, so people come to me with a set up and I see if I can make it work within the legal framework imposed to me.
First, stop thinking Switzerland is a “offshore heaven” Swiss banks have made deals with many governments for the exchange of fiscal information. If you are a French citizen, resident in France and want to open an account in a Private Bank in Switzerland to cash out your bitcoins, you will get slaughtered (>60%). There are ways around that, and I could refer you to good tax specialists for fiscal optimization, but I cannot organize it myself. It would be illegal for me. Swiss private banks makes it easy for you to keep a good your relation with your retail bank and continue paying your bills without headaches. They are integrated to SEPA, provide ebanking and credit cards.
For information, these are the kind of set up some of my clients came up with. It’s all legal; obviously I do not onboard clients that are not tax compliant. Further disclaimer: I did not contribute myself to these set up. Do not ask me to organize it for you. I won’t.
EU tricks
Swiss lump sum taxation Foreign nationals resident in Switzerland can be taxed on a lump-sum basis if they are not gainfully employed in our country. Under the lump-sum tax regime, foreign nationals taking residence in Switzerland may choose to pay an expense-based tax instead of ordinary income and wealth tax. Attractive cantons for the lump sum taxation are Zug, Vaud, Valais, Grisons, Lucerne and Berne. To make it short, you will be paying somewhere between 200 and 400k a year and all expenses will be deductible.
Switzerland has adopted a very friendly attitude towards crypto currency in general. There is a whole crypto valley in Zug now. 30% of ICOs are operated in Switzerland. The reason is that Switzerland has thrived for centuries on banking secrecy, and today with FATCA and exchange of fiscal info with EU, banking secrecy is dead. Regulators in Switzerland have understood that digital ledger technologies were a way to roll over this competitive advantage for the generations to come. Switzerland does not tax capital gains on crypto profits. The Finma has a very pragmatic approach. They have issued guidance- updated guidelines here. They let the business get organized and operate their analysis on a case per case basis. Only after getting a deep understanding of the market will they issue a global fintech license in 2019. This approach is much more realistic than legislations which try to regulate everything beforehand.
Italy new tax exemption. It’s a brand new fiscal exemption. Go to Aoste, get residency and you could be taxed a 100k/year for 10years. Yes, really.
Portugal What’s crazy in Europe is the lack of fiscal harmonization. Even if no one in Brussels dares admit it, every other country is doing fiscal dumping. Portugal is such a country and has proved very friendly fiscally speaking. I personally have a hard time trusting Europe. I have witnessed what happened in Greece over the last few years. Some of our ultra high net worth clients got stuck with capital controls. I mean no way you got out of crypto to have your funds confiscated at the next financial crisis! Anyway. FYI
Malta Generally speaking, if you get a residence somewhere you have to live there for a certain period of time. Being stuck in Italy is no big deal with Schengen Agreement, but in Malta it is a different story. In Malta, the ordinary residence scheme is more attractive than the HNWI residence scheme. Being an individual, you can hold a residence permit under this scheme and pay zero income tax in Malta in a completely legal way.
Monaco Not suitable for French citizens, but for other Ultra High Net worth individual, Monaco is worth considering. You need an account at a local bank as a proof of fortune, and this account generally has to be seeded with at least EUR500k. You also need a proof of residence. I do mean UHNI because if you don’t cash out minimum 30m it’s not interesting. Everything is expensive in Monaco. Real Estate is EUR 50k per square meter. A breakfast at Monte Carlo Bay hotel is 70 EUR. Monaco is sunny but sometimes it feels like a golden jail. Do you really want that for your kids?
Dubaï
  1. Set up a company in Dubaï, get your resident card.
  2. Spend one day every 6 month there
  3. ???
  4. Be tax free
US tricks Some Private banks in Geneva do have the license to manage the assets of US persons and U.S citizens. However, do not think it is a way to avoid paying taxes in the US. Opening an account at an authorized Swiss Private banks is literally the same tax-wise as opening an account at Fidelity or at Bank of America in the US. The only difference is that you will avoid all the horror stories. Horror stories are all real by the way. In Switzerland, if you build a decent case and answer all the questions and corroborate your case in depth, you will manage to convince compliance officers beforehand. When the money eventually hits your account, it is actually available and not frozen.
The IRS and FATCA require to file FBAR if an offshore account is open. However FBAR is a reporting requirement and does not have taxes related to holding an account outside the US. The taxes would be the same if the account was in the US. However penalties for non compliance with FBAR are very large. The tax liability management is actually performed through the management of the assets ( for exemple by maximizing long term capital gains and minimizing short term gains).
The case for Porto Rico. Full disclaimer here. I am not encouraging this. Have not collaborated on such tax avoidance schemes. if you are interested I strongly encourage you to seek a tax advisor and get a legal opinion. I am not responsible for anything written below. I am not going to say much because I am so afraid of uncle Sam that I prefer to humbly pass the hot potato to pwc From here all it takes is a good advisor and some creativity to be tax free on your crypto wealth if you are a US person apparently. Please, please please don’t ask me more. And read the disclaimer again.
Trust tricks Generally speaking I do not accept fringe fiscal situation because it puts me in a difficult situation to the banks I work with, and it is already difficult enough to defend a legit crypto case. Trust might be a way to optimize your fiscal situation. Belize. Bahamas. Seychelles. Panama, You name it. At the end of the day, what matters for Swiss Banks are the beneficial owner and the settlor. Get a legal opinion, get it done, and when you eventually knock at a private bank’s door, don’t say it was for fiscal avoidance you stupid ! You will get the door smashed upon you. Be smarter. It will work. My advice is just to have it done by a great tax specialist lawyer, even if it costs you some money, as the entity itself needs to be structured in a professional way. Remember that with trust you are dispossessing yourself off your wealth. Not something to be taken lightly.
“Anonymous” cash out. Right. I think I am not going into this topic, neither expose the ways to get it done. Pm me for details. I already feel a bit uncomfortable with all the info I have provided. I am just going to mention many people fear that crypto exchange might become reporting entities soon, and rightly so. This might happen anyday. You have been warned. FYI, this only works for non-US and large cash out.
The difference between traders an investors. Danmark, Holland and Germany all make a huge difference if you are a passive investor or if you are a trader. ICO is considered investing for instance and is not taxed, while trading might be considered as income and charged aggressively. I would try my best to protect you and put a focus on your investor profile whenever possible, so you don't have to pay 52% tax if you do not have to :D
Full cash out or partial cash out? People who have been sitting on crypto for long have grown an emotional and irrational link with their coins. They come to me and say, look, I have 50m in crypto but I would like to cash out 500k only. So first let me tell you that as a wealth manager my advice to you is to take some off the table. Doing a partial cash out is absolutely fine. The market is bullish. We are witnessing a redistribution of wealth at a global scale. Bitcoin is the real #occupywallstreet, and every one will discuss crypto at Xmas eve which will make the market even more supportive beginning 2018, especially with all hedge funds entering the scene. If you want to stay exposed to bitcoin and altcoins, and believe these techs will change the world, it’s just natural you want to keep some coins. In the meantime, if you have lived off pizzas over the last years, and have the means to now buy yourself an nice house and have an account at a private bank, then f***ing do it mate ! Buy physical gold with this account, buy real estate, have some cash at hands. Even though US dollar is worthless to your eyes, it’s good and convenient to have some. Also remember your wife deserves it ! And if you have no wife yet and you are socially awkward like the rest of us, then maybe cashing out partially will help your situation ;)
What the Private Banks expect. Joke aside, it is important you understand something. If you come around in Zurich to open a bank account and partially cash out, just don’t expect Private Banks will make an exception for you if you are small. You can’t ask them to facilitate your cash out, buy a 1m apartment with the proceeds of the sale, and not leave anything on your current account. It won’t work. Sadly, under 5m you are considered small in private banking. The bank is ok to let you open an account, provided that your kyc and compliance file are validated, but they will also want you to become a client and leave some money there to invest. This might me despicable, but I am just explaining you their rules. If you want to cash out, you should sell enough to be comfortable and have some left. Also expect the account opening to last at least 3-4 week if everything goes well. You can't just open an account overnight.
The cash out logistics. Cashing out 1m USD a day in bitcoin or more is not so hard.
Let me just tell you this: Even if you get a Tier 4 account with Kraken and ask Alejandro there to raise your limit over $100k per day, Even if you have a bitfinex account and you are willing to expose your wealth there, Even if you have managed to pass all the crazy due diligence at Bitstamp,
The amount should be fractioned to avoid risking your full wealth on exchange and getting slaughtered on the price by trading big quantities. Cashing out involves significant risks at all time. There is a security risk of compromising your keys, a counterparty risk, a fat finger risk. Let it be done by professionals. It is worth every single penny.
Most importantly, there is a major difference between trading on an exchange and trading OTC. Even though it’s not publicly disclosed some exchange like Kraken do have OTC desks. Trading on an exchange for a large amount will weight on the prices. Bitcoin is a thin market. In my opinion over 30% of the coins are lost in translation forever. Selling $10m on an exchange in a day can weight on the prices more than you’d think. And if you trade on a exchange, everything is shown on record, and you might wipe out the prices because on exchanges like bitstamp or kraken ultimately your counterparties are retail investors and the market depth is not huge. It is a bit better on Bitfinex. It is way better to trade OTC. Accessing the institutional OTC market is not easy, and that is also the reason why you should ask a regulated financial intermediary if we are talking about huge amounts.
Last point, always chose EUR as opposed to USD. EU correspondent banks won’t generally block institutional amounts. However we had the cases of USD funds frozen or delayed by weeks.
Most well-known OTC desks are Cumberlandmining (ask for Lucas), Genesis (ask for Martin), Bitcoin Suisse AG (ask for Niklas), circletrade, B2C2, or Altcoinomy (ask for Olivier)
Very very large whales can also set up escrow accounts for massive block trades. This world, where blocks over 30k BTC are exchanged between 2 parties would deserve a reddit thread of its own. Crazyness all around.
Your options: DIY or going through a regulated financial intermediary.
Execution trading is a job in itself. You have to be patient, be careful not to wipe out the order book and place limit orders, monitor the market intraday for spikes or opportunities. At big levels, for a large cash out that may take weeks, these kind of details will save you hundred thousands of dollars. I understand crypto holders are suspicious and may prefer to do it by themselves, but there are regulated entities who now offer the services. Besides, being a crypto millionaire is not a guarantee you will get institutional daily withdrawal limits at exchange. You might, but it will take you another round of KYC with them, and surprisingly this round might be even more aggressive that the ones at Private banks since exchange have gone under intense scrutiny by regulators lately.
The fees for cashing out through a regulated financial intermediary to help you with your cash out should be around 1-2% flat on the nominal, not more. And for this price you should get the full package: execution/monitoring of the trades AND onboarding in a private bank. If you are asked more, you are being abused.
Of course, you also have the option to do it yourself. It is a way more tedious and risky process. Compliance with the exchange, compliance with the private bank, trading BTC/fiat, monitoring the transfers…You will save some money but it will take you some time and stress. Further, if you approach a private bank directly, it will trigger a series of red flag to the banks. As I said in my previous post, they call a direct approach a “walk-in”. They will be more suspicious than if you were introduced by someone and won’t hesitate to show you high fees and load your portfolio with in-house products that earn more money to the banks than to you. Remember also most banks still do not understand crypto so you will have a lot of explanations to provide and you will have to start form scratch with them!
The paradox of crypto millionaires Most of my clients who made their wealth through crypto all took massive amount of risks to end up where they are. However, most of them want their bank account to be managed with a low volatility fixed income capital preservation risk profile. This is a paradox I have a hard time to explain and I think it is mainly due to the fact that most are distrustful towards banks and financial markets in general. Many clients who have sold their crypto also have a cash-out blues in the first few months. This is a classic situation. The emotions involved in hodling for so long, the relief that everything has eventually gone well, the life-changing dynamics, the difficulties to find a new motivation in life…All these elements may trigger a post cash-out depression. It is another paradox of the crypto rich who has every card in his hand to be happy, but often feel a bit sad and lonely. Sometimes, even though it’s not my job, I had to do some psychological support. A lot of clients have also become my friends, because we have the same age and went through the same “ordeal”. First world problem I know… Remember, cashing out is not the end. It’s actually the beginning. Don’t look back, don’t regret. Cash out partially, because it does not make sense to cash out in full, regret it and want back in. relax.
The race to cash out crypto billionaire and the concept of late exiter. The Winklevoss brothers are obviously the first of a series. There will be crypto billionaires. Many of them. At a certain level you can have a whole family office working for you to manage your assets and take care of your needs . However, let me tell you it’s is not because you made it so big that you should think you are a genius and know everything better than anyone. You should hire professionals to help you. Managing assets require some education around the investment vehicles and risk management strategies. Sorry guys but with all the respect I have for wallstreebet, AMD and YOLO stock picking, some discipline is necessary. The investors who have made money through crypto are generally early adopters. However I have started to see another profile popping up. They are not early adopters. They are late exiters. It is another way but just as efficient. Last week I met the first crypto millionaire I know who first bough bitcoin over 1000$. 55k invested at the beginning of this year. Late adopter & late exiter is a route that can lead to the million.
Last remarks. I know banks, bankers, and FIAT currencies are so last century. I know some of you despise them and would like to have them burn to the ground. With compliance officers taking over the business, I would like to start the fire myself sometimes. I hope this extensive guide has helped some of you. I am around if you need more details. I love my job despite all my frustration towards the banking industry because it makes me meet interesting people on a daily basis. I am a crypto enthusiast myself, and I do think this tech is here to stay and will change the world. Banks will have to adapt big time. Things have started to change already; they understand the threat is real. I can feel the generational gap in Geneva, with all these old bankers who don’t get what’s going on. They glaze at the bitcoin chart on CNBC in disbelief and they start to get it. This bitcoin thing is not a joke. Deep inside, as an early adopter who also intends to be a late exiter, as a libertarian myself, it makes me smile with satisfaction.
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